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[quote][b]Steve[/b] wrote: One of the problems is that you have 2 completely different issues here. If Israel were just another country defending itself, no-one would bat an eyelid. Taken in the context of just the present day, Israel is the defender. However, taken in a historical context it's much more complex than that. There was no state of Israel until the mid-20th century (ignoring pre-600AD), and it was basically carved out, by a mixture of slow immigration and eventually force, from what had been the territory claimed by others for several hundred years. It is folly to think that this would have no ramifications. Violence can never be justified, but the underlying causes run deep. Lebanon, Syria et al absorbed many of the people displaced by the creation of Israel, so it should be no surprise that hostilities exist there. Whilst the Lebanese government certainly doesn't want Hezbolla stirring up trouble for it, at the same time it is politically very difficult to eliminate it entirely without undermining your own position and basically encouraging a coup by exactly these people. They've tried to incorporate and diffuse, a common approach, but it hasn't worked, clearly. There are rights and wrongs on both sides. Hezbollah was undeniably wrong for starting this. Israel clearly had to respond, but the extent that the response has affected everyday civilians from many, many countries is not winning it any friends. Put it this way - the argument that Israel's scale of response is justified on the basis of provocation isn't entirely watertight. You could make the case that Israel provoked the very people that are attacking them now too by displacing them to begin with. So who's right? No-one. Until a balanced agreement is reached nothing is going to break the Tit-for-tat cycle - and I do think the Palestinians missed a serious opportunity a few years back, thanks to Arafat - but that earlier offers in the 60s were woefully one-sided in favour of Israel so it's not surprising they didn't go anywhere.[/quote]
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